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	<title>Comments on: Long tail or critical mass?  Is niche enough for tourism in online social networks?</title>
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		<title>By: Vicky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thanks Jean - I didn&#039;t use the phrase in the post, but I think it comes back to that false online assumption that if you build it, they will come.  Why should they?  Listening and targeting is critical, just as you point out.

In this more recent post, Hitwise and Jupiter research have come up with some data that demonstrates the connection between critical mass and likelihood to influence: 

http://blog.highlandbusinessresearch.com/2008/06/12/travel-20-the-data-impacts-and-business-implications/

Thanks again

Vicky</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks Jean &#8211; I didn&#8217;t use the phrase in the post, but I think it comes back to that false online assumption that if you build it, they will come.  Why should they?  Listening and targeting is critical, just as you point out.</p>
<p>In this more recent post, Hitwise and Jupiter research have come up with some data that demonstrates the connection between critical mass and likelihood to influence: </p>
<p><a href="http://blog.highlandbusinessresearch.com/2008/06/12/travel-20-the-data-impacts-and-business-implications/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.highlandbusinessresearch.com/2008/06/12/travel-20-the-data-impacts-and-business-implications/</a></p>
<p>Thanks again</p>
<p>Vicky</p>
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		<title>By: jean</title>
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		<dc:creator>jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good questions indeed. There&#039;s no simple answer as which way is better to promote in social networking. I think I agree with &quot;the people make the choice of what suits them best.&quot; It&#039;s better to listen to the target people rather than presume what fits them.

Nice article indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good questions indeed. There&#8217;s no simple answer as which way is better to promote in social networking. I think I agree with &#8220;the people make the choice of what suits them best.&#8221; It&#8217;s better to listen to the target people rather than presume what fits them.</p>
<p>Nice article indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Vicky</title>
		<link>http://blog.highlandbusinessresearch.com/2007/11/07/long-tail-or-critical-mass-is-niche-enough-for-tourism-in-online-social-networks/comment-page-1/#comment-323</link>
		<dc:creator>Vicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;William Bakker also has an interest perspective on this topic: http://www.wilhelmus.ca/2007/11/is_there_a_place_for_a_destina.html&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have previously enthused about his achievements with the British Columbia destination site: http://www.hellobc.com&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William Bakker also has an interest perspective on this topic: <a href="http://www.wilhelmus.ca/2007/11/is_there_a_place_for_a_destina.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.wilhelmus.ca/2007/11/is_there_a_place_for_a_destina.html</a></p>
<p>I have previously enthused about his achievements with the British Columbia destination site: <a href="http://www.hellobc.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.hellobc.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Vicky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen, I think you&#039;re right to point out that search is still driving the volume of people ready to convert into sales.

I do think there is scope to participate in the social networks as a business, as long as it done completely authentically and transparently, and regatded more as participitating in a conversation that is going on anyway, rather than as marketing that will lead to direct response.

We were discussing the at the bloggers summit and wider PhoCusWright conference earlier this week.

TripAdvisor, and the like, were seen as providing businesses with an opportinity to address criticism (and evaluate positive comments) in the same way as comments within your business can.  With the advantage that your responses, if appropriate &amp; transparent, can turn a potential negative into a positive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen, I think you&#8217;re right to point out that search is still driving the volume of people ready to convert into sales.</p>
<p>I do think there is scope to participate in the social networks as a business, as long as it done completely authentically and transparently, and regatded more as participitating in a conversation that is going on anyway, rather than as marketing that will lead to direct response.</p>
<p>We were discussing the at the bloggers summit and wider PhoCusWright conference earlier this week.</p>
<p>TripAdvisor, and the like, were seen as providing businesses with an opportinity to address criticism (and evaluate positive comments) in the same way as comments within your business can.  With the advantage that your responses, if appropriate &#038; transparent, can turn a potential negative into a positive.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen, I think that social networkers such as Stumblers are not really in the purchasing mode they are more looking for some instant entertainment rather than serious information gathering or buying.  I don&#039;t even think that increasing brand awareness is relevant as many social networkers flick through so many sites a day they&#039;d never remember a specific site.

Stumbleupon has a travel category but I suppose it isn&#039;t niche enough for me as my business concentrates on less well known destinations in Europe.  I&#039;m not sure if a social network would ever be so focused as that.

The theory about participating in social networks giving advice on niche travel knowledge is a balancing act, you can&#039;t go in with the hard sell and in a small business do you have time to read and answer queries and give advice on regular basis?  Even if you do, I&#039;m not sure if your effort will be financially rewarded. I&#039;ve tried this on Trip Advisor and it didn&#039;t come to much. I wonder if the fact that I am a travel business owner undermines my credability in the social network environment?  Is it a contradiction for a commercial entity to interfere in the unbiased arena of real travellers user generated content?

I&#039;m still inclined to think that the best way to promote my travel business  and gain additional sales is through coming high on natural searches for my keywords.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, I think that social networkers such as Stumblers are not really in the purchasing mode they are more looking for some instant entertainment rather than serious information gathering or buying.  I don&#8217;t even think that increasing brand awareness is relevant as many social networkers flick through so many sites a day they&#8217;d never remember a specific site.</p>
<p>Stumbleupon has a travel category but I suppose it isn&#8217;t niche enough for me as my business concentrates on less well known destinations in Europe.  I&#8217;m not sure if a social network would ever be so focused as that.</p>
<p>The theory about participating in social networks giving advice on niche travel knowledge is a balancing act, you can&#8217;t go in with the hard sell and in a small business do you have time to read and answer queries and give advice on regular basis?  Even if you do, I&#8217;m not sure if your effort will be financially rewarded. I&#8217;ve tried this on Trip Advisor and it didn&#8217;t come to much. I wonder if the fact that I am a travel business owner undermines my credability in the social network environment?  Is it a contradiction for a commercial entity to interfere in the unbiased arena of real travellers user generated content?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still inclined to think that the best way to promote my travel business  and gain additional sales is through coming high on natural searches for my keywords.</p>
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		<title>By: Vicky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 04:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I only just spotted this very interesting post from Karin Scmollgruber at FastenYourSeatbelts.at&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;http://passionpr.typepad.com/tourism/2007/10/tourism-social-.html&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;She also references Go See Oregon, pointing out the value that lies in the fact that members can connect to 90,000 other Go See destinations worldwide - adding critical mass to the network.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only just spotted this very interesting post from Karin Scmollgruber at FastenYourSeatbelts.at</p>
<p><a href="http://passionpr.typepad.com/tourism/2007/10/tourism-social-.html" rel="nofollow">http://passionpr.typepad.com/tourism/2007/10/tourism-social-.html</a></p>
<p>She also references Go See Oregon, pointing out the value that lies in the fact that members can connect to 90,000 other Go See destinations worldwide &#8211; adding critical mass to the network.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 07:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the comment Steve.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My feeling is that the most effective solution might well be the good old marketing favorite of &#039;the integrated campaign&#039; and so the small/medium sized tourism business needs to appear in several places much as you are suggesting.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For example, I can imagine that some customers value both social networks AND printed brochures and that trust in the offering is built both media&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Which leaves us with the age old question of what actually triggers the conversion.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the &lt;a href=http://blog.highlandbusinessresearch.com/2007/10/31/geniuses-journalists-and-inert-customers-using-communication-theory-to-understand-your-audiences/ rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;post&lt;/a&gt; I wrote recently, I noted that communication theory suggested that you have to talk to different parts of your audience in a different way and my guess is that the conversation with the least engaged segment might well initially be one-way.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment Steve.</p>
<p>My feeling is that the most effective solution might well be the good old marketing favorite of &#8216;the integrated campaign&#8217; and so the small/medium sized tourism business needs to appear in several places much as you are suggesting.</p>
<p>For example, I can imagine that some customers value both social networks AND printed brochures and that trust in the offering is built both media</p>
<p>Which leaves us with the age old question of what actually triggers the conversion.</p>
<p>In the <a href=http://blog.highlandbusinessresearch.com/2007/10/31/geniuses-journalists-and-inert-customers-using-communication-theory-to-understand-your-audiences/ rel="nofollow">post</a> I wrote recently, I noted that communication theory suggested that you have to talk to different parts of your audience in a different way and my guess is that the conversation with the least engaged segment might well initially be one-way.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very thought-provoking article.  From the standpoint of small and medium size enterprises, practical considerations will mean that they have to be very selective in where and how broadly they choose to attempt two-way conversations with travelers.  Perhaps there is a two-tier strategy: engage in conversations within the online communities that best reflect and influence your target consumers, and engage in more of a one-way content distribution strategy in a select group of second-tier communities.  I know the idea of one-way content distribution isn&#039;t true to the spirit of online communities, but if you provide relevant info of value to the community it may be a viable and acceptable strategy.

Great blog by the way.  Only stumbled across it today but there&#039;s a ton of great stuff in here to plow thru when I get a chance,

Cheers.,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very thought-provoking article.  From the standpoint of small and medium size enterprises, practical considerations will mean that they have to be very selective in where and how broadly they choose to attempt two-way conversations with travelers.  Perhaps there is a two-tier strategy: engage in conversations within the online communities that best reflect and influence your target consumers, and engage in more of a one-way content distribution strategy in a select group of second-tier communities.  I know the idea of one-way content distribution isn&#8217;t true to the spirit of online communities, but if you provide relevant info of value to the community it may be a viable and acceptable strategy.</p>
<p>Great blog by the way.  Only stumbled across it today but there&#8217;s a ton of great stuff in here to plow thru when I get a chance,</p>
<p>Cheers.,</p>
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		<title>By: Vicky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Eric and you have been very modest in not mentioning that your own site - http://www.travbuddy.com - is a glaring omission from my list!

I just came across Travbuddy.com yesterday and what they are doing is extensive and comprehensive and I think is an excellent example of how critical mass and strength of community is inherent in network success</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Eric and you have been very modest in not mentioning that your own site &#8211; <a href="http://www.travbuddy.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.travbuddy.com</a> &#8211; is a glaring omission from my list!</p>
<p>I just came across Travbuddy.com yesterday and what they are doing is extensive and comprehensive and I think is an excellent example of how critical mass and strength of community is inherent in network success</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Vicky, I think that you hit the key idea when you said:

&quot;And yet, the power of online communities is in the people within them – their shared interests, participation levels and trustworthiness. Ultimately, the people make the choice of what suits them best.&quot;

Ultimately, I believe it is the strength of the community, regardless of size, that determines whether or not a site or network is successful or not.

Also, I think that niche sites will always be able to gear their content and functionality much better to their audiences than any general social network can, and don&#039;t think Facebook apps change that. I will still go to Chowhound for food recommendations, yelp for nightlife, etc, regardless of what apps or recommendations are available on facebook or more general networks, just because they are geared more specifically to what I am looking for at that moment in time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Vicky, I think that you hit the key idea when you said:</p>
<p>&#8220;And yet, the power of online communities is in the people within them – their shared interests, participation levels and trustworthiness. Ultimately, the people make the choice of what suits them best.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ultimately, I believe it is the strength of the community, regardless of size, that determines whether or not a site or network is successful or not.</p>
<p>Also, I think that niche sites will always be able to gear their content and functionality much better to their audiences than any general social network can, and don&#8217;t think Facebook apps change that. I will still go to Chowhound for food recommendations, yelp for nightlife, etc, regardless of what apps or recommendations are available on facebook or more general networks, just because they are geared more specifically to what I am looking for at that moment in time.</p>
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